Bluedragon: I really wasn't happy with that last one. So I'm trying something different with this. Essentially leaving most of Kaz' sketch as the line art rather than redrawing lines over it. I think it turned out much better. Good thing too as this is a pretty important scene.
Old Katia dictating to even older Quill Weave. Katia is nearly blind by this time (probably due to inadvertent night-eye once too many times).
Kaz did such a good job aging them up but keeping them recognizable that I just couldn't botch this one up too bad I hope!
Bluedragon: Healing magic is tough to figure, esp. when concerning the elderly. Would they regrow their hair? Is that "healing"? If she's blind due to cataracts, would it help? I struggle with that sometimes myself when writing stuff. Will enough healing magic heal a cleft skull if the heart still beats? Who knows.
AMKitsune: @Bluedragon: I don't know what the lore has to say on the matter, but I'd like to imagine that healing magic acts as a sort of 'short-cut to natural healing'. If a person would recover from something over time (like a wound), healing magic will reduce the time taken to seconds instead of weeks and months.
Things like ageing related ailments or missing limbs wouldn't be covered because they're not something you typically recover from over time.
I mean, if healing spells could somehow reverse the process of a persons DNA deforming as they get older, people would never die of old age, instead staying in a state of perfect genetic health (and there are plenty of old people in Tamriel, so that's clearly not the case).
However, just imagine if there was a spell where you could capture a snapshot of a child's DNA and then periodically through their life, cast this spell on them to 'refresh' their dna to it's more original, less deformed state! That would be like a spell of eternal youth! (except without being trapped in a child's body)
AMKitsune: @Terence_Fletcher: You could, but then you'd have a DNA snapshot with about 20 years worth of degradation on it. For example, I'm 27 (still relatively young) and a small patch of the skin on my chin has lost the ability to produce coloured hair. Basically, I've got a small patch of white hairs in my beard because the dna in the cells at their bases have degraded over time to the point where the cells are no longer able to produce the pigment found in other hairs. Of course, there's a good chance that replacing all DNA with an 'earlier snapshot' would cause the individuals 'developmental body clock' to be wound back to. While they wouldn't necessarily shrink to a smaller size, loose muscle mass or regain a childlike voice, things like beard growth and more 'mature' bodily processes may stop (until the DNA thinks it's ready for it again, I really don't know though. This is all very theoretical and coming from someone with a relatively basic understanding of genetics).
Thinking about it, taking a 'prime of life' snapshot as you suggest would probably be the best bet.
Terence_Fletcher: @AMKitsune: Yeah, I mean, even the researchers of genetics don't know how exactly aging works, and ES lore(ex:magic) is completely imaginary. On top of that, we are non-experts who are adding imagination over already-imaginary-enough lore lol. But, talking about your idea, as far as i know, the method of 'reversing' DNA(to be specific, telomere) to its younger state(for rejuvenation) is actually being researched by scientists but there are some concerns about it since that reversing the DNA could be directly connected to causing cancer. I'm pretty sure that you already knew about this since you mentioned 'degradation', but yeah. I just wanted to talk about my thoughts:P. Ah, one last thing. Imo 'mature' bodily processes woudln't stop even when the DNA is reversed because things like that is not governed by aging of DNA itself.
AMKitsune: @Terence_Fletcher: This kind of complexity also adds to the lore angle that magic should take many years of dedicated study to master. I suppose many aspects of 'mage-hood' could be likened to real world fields of study. Destruction magic would just be the manipulation of energy and application of physics, restoration would be the medical application of telekinesis (or similar)on a cellular (or for masters, molecular?) level, alchemy is quite simply chemistry, illusion could be some sort of direct manipulation of an individual's brain activity or the creation of psychoactive drugs within a target (imagine making an enemy drowsy and confused by changing a small portion of their blood into ethanol. If that were possible though, you could just instantly poison someone if you wanted). Alteration's a tricky one though. Things like magicly moving an object with your mind would be much harder to try to explain away with modern science. The only thing that I could come up with would be if the mass of an object were somehow reduced to that of the surrounding atmosphere (rendering it effectively weightless) by temporarily banishing some of it's protons to another plain of oblivion (while keeping it's molecular structure intact) then increasing and reducing the temperature of different sides of the object to cause it's surface molecules to collide more or less violently with the surrounding atmosphere resulting in the object changing velocity.
Honestly, this kind of pseudo-science is complete bullshit when you really think about it, but it's still pretty fun to write XD.
Kazerad: @AMKitsune: One also has to remember that even the basic laws of physics may not operate the same way in a fantasy setting. I mean, with TES in particular, the planet is full of clockwork, the stars and sun are literally holes in the sky, there are multiple diseases that grant immortality as a side effect, and the moon is made of drugs.
Terence_Fletcher: @AMKitsune: Yeah ikr XD. Talking about explaining magic in a scientific way (which is pretty useless), my favorite way of doing so is represented in the game 'Endless Legend' of Endless series. In the game, the 'magic' people (and many other races) use is actually done by nano machines(which are called simply 'dust') made by ancient space-faring civilization. Just like sir Clarke once said, " Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."!(<-I had to look up for that exact sentence lol) Maybe it's more like a 'science fictional' explanation(explaining unknown with unknown?) than actual 'scientific' explanation. Idk
Terence_Fletcher: @Kazerad: Hi are you real Kazerad? I wanted to ask this question to AMKitsune but since you are here I'll ask it to you. Why is there no official community(like a forum)? And I think you said in the comments that people should not make arbitrary 'official community' to confuse new guys(like me). Then can I consider this website as a official Prequel community?
AMKitsune: @Kazerad: As you say, many things in TES are different to out own reality, either to further it's fantasy setting by differentiating it from what we know to be normal, or to facilitate other aspects of its lore.
However...
"For a piece of art to hold significance or persuasion for an audience, according to Plato and Aristotle, it must have grounding in reality"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_(fiction)
As you also mentioned, vampirism (or it's predecessor, Sanguinare Vampiris) is considered a 'disease' in TES which is a very 'medical' way of describing it. many other depictions of vampirism in other media don't seem to go into much detail about what it actually is. just that 'if they bite, you become'. Most people who hear vampirism described as a disease will subconsciously think to themselves "Hey, I know what a disease is!"
Also, as unlikely as it may sound, the concept of the planet containing a giant clockwork mechanism isn't beyond comprehension. It's technically possible which is why it's a believable concept.
With the exception of magic (which children are exposed to from a young age, so they understand the concept of it), the world of TES is really quite grounded in reality. Sure, the settings, creatures and customs may seem alien to a new onlooker, but they're not too beyond what we're familiar with to prevent us accepting this world and everything in it. This is one of the reasons why I could never get into homestuck. While the story started off in what seemed to be a relatively normal world with normal rules, as soon as they started integrating arbitrary 'game mechanics' into the world, I wasn't able to engage with the world and couldn't stay invested (Other's love it though, so maybe that's just how I see things).
This is one of the reasons why fantasy (when done well) can be so brilliant. It can be grounded in reality enough to allow casual onlookers to understand the world whilst also having parts that are radically different to our reality, giving them something new and amazing to experience.
It's also a bit like the technobabble used in star trek. While in no way factual, it provides a small way for a viewer to connect to the world using their understanding/knowledge of the terms being used as a bridge between the factual world and the fictional.
I'm not saying that all works have to be instantly understandable, but it certainly helps.
Kazerad: @Terence_Fletcher: I am the real Kazerad! I guess this site is the "official" community right now, at least when it comes to fanart, but I'm working on some stuff for more general hanging out.
MetalC0Mmander: @Enheldor: No you heard wrong. It's not the best it's the shittiest. Unless the writing is done by a scientist but let's be honest I don't think anyone here is one. Unless... Would any scientist please stand up?
Terence_Fletcher: @MetalC0Mmander: I'm not a scientist, but I learned biology as a general course. And since my mother has master's degree in biology I had some chance to learn bits of biology back when I was younger. So i guess it's not the shittiest maybe?
SlashSeven: ...when I look at this image it feels like I've missed whole their lives and we just met for the first time in a long while but we remember how nice and funny it was when we were young and together we were in sometimes dangerous and painful but funny adventures, how we've made hard decisions, learned magic and supported each other in hard situations...
I mean, it makes me let out a tear a little.
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Old Katia dictating to even older Quill Weave. Katia is nearly blind by this time (probably due to inadvertent night-eye once too many times).
Kaz did such a good job aging them up but keeping them recognizable that I just couldn't botch this one up too bad I hope!
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Things like ageing related ailments or missing limbs wouldn't be covered because they're not something you typically recover from over time.
I mean, if healing spells could somehow reverse the process of a persons DNA deforming as they get older, people would never die of old age, instead staying in a state of perfect genetic health (and there are plenty of old people in Tamriel, so that's clearly not the case).
However, just imagine if there was a spell where you could capture a snapshot of a child's DNA and then periodically through their life, cast this spell on them to 'refresh' their dna to it's more original, less deformed state! That would be like a spell of eternal youth! (except without being trapped in a child's body)
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Thinking about it, taking a 'prime of life' snapshot as you suggest would probably be the best bet.
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Honestly, this kind of pseudo-science is complete bullshit when you really think about it, but it's still pretty fun to write XD.
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However...
"For a piece of art to hold significance or persuasion for an audience, according to Plato and Aristotle, it must have grounding in reality"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_(fiction)
As you also mentioned, vampirism (or it's predecessor, Sanguinare Vampiris) is considered a 'disease' in TES which is a very 'medical' way of describing it. many other depictions of vampirism in other media don't seem to go into much detail about what it actually is. just that 'if they bite, you become'. Most people who hear vampirism described as a disease will subconsciously think to themselves "Hey, I know what a disease is!"
Also, as unlikely as it may sound, the concept of the planet containing a giant clockwork mechanism isn't beyond comprehension. It's technically possible which is why it's a believable concept.
With the exception of magic (which children are exposed to from a young age, so they understand the concept of it), the world of TES is really quite grounded in reality. Sure, the settings, creatures and customs may seem alien to a new onlooker, but they're not too beyond what we're familiar with to prevent us accepting this world and everything in it. This is one of the reasons why I could never get into homestuck. While the story started off in what seemed to be a relatively normal world with normal rules, as soon as they started integrating arbitrary 'game mechanics' into the world, I wasn't able to engage with the world and couldn't stay invested (Other's love it though, so maybe that's just how I see things).
This is one of the reasons why fantasy (when done well) can be so brilliant. It can be grounded in reality enough to allow casual onlookers to understand the world whilst also having parts that are radically different to our reality, giving them something new and amazing to experience.
It's also a bit like the technobabble used in star trek. While in no way factual, it provides a small way for a viewer to connect to the world using their understanding/knowledge of the terms being used as a bridge between the factual world and the fictional.
I'm not saying that all works have to be instantly understandable, but it certainly helps.
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I mean, it makes me let out a tear
a little.Is it even normal? I need a hug.