somethingsomething: @scoopski: You keep attributing unintended deaths to capitalism. Like I said earlier the majority of human abuse is occurring in countries with a corrupt government. That is not the fault of capitalism but rather the institution. Every ideology would seem immoral if a corrupt government was in charge.
“I can attest that capitalism isn't a whole lot better to those who can't afford the benefits.”
It is better than the alternative of communism, the ideology that calls for genocide right from the start. Every attempt has lead to mass human suffering, every attempt to achieve the utopia has been a failure. With capitalism there is nothing stopping you from improving your life, the onus is on you and that is better than some collective telling you how far you can go in life.
somethingsomething: @Makkon:
“When I suggest to show support, I mean solely for gay rights, not communist ideology.”
I do not interpret it as showing solidarity for gay rights. Why would a homosexual hold up the hammer and sickle knowing full well what communism has done to them? The picture seems closer to promoting the ideology.
Either way perhaps this was a misunderstanding. If you truly meant it as support for gay rights then I have no problem, I just misunderstood your intentions. I still won’t like the picture though, since I don’t see it the way you do.
“You put so much effort into defending a system that wouldn't defend you if it was unprofitable.”
Because capitalism hasn’t killed any of my family members.
somethingsomething: @PermanentFace: Many sources that say that Americans go without food or water usually measure it as ‘access to healthy food’. I wonder if American’s actually are going hungry since access to cheap food and water has never been easier. Like I said earlier, things aren’t perfect but capitalism has provided more wealth and prosperity then communism and doesn’t require a genocide to do it. Time and government regulation/policy will eventually fix these problems.
somethingsomething: That’s quite funny considering your first comment was an appeal to emotion. Support communist art to support gay rights in Russia even though such an interpretation doesn’t even make sense. Trying to hide a murderous ideology behind a lack of gay rights won’t make people want to support communism.
somethingsomething: @PermanentFace: Actually it's because food and water is so cheap. In the US obesity is a real problem, out of all the problems we could have, dying because we have so much food is a good thing. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/6/19/15819808/obesity-global-epidemic
What about regulated capitalism? I agree that extremes on both sides are bad but no countries actually have complete unregulated laissez faire capitalism. Places that have horrible conditions are run in countries with corrupt governments, that's not the fault of capitalism but rather the institution that uses capitalism. You say it's flawed, of course it is, we are imperfect so everything we make will be imperfect yet despite all its flaws it is the only system that has brought so much prosperity for humanity.
somethingsomething: @Makkon: My great grandfather died in a work camp in the Soviet Union, I am glad you find genocide funny…
I am sorry I am not willing to support communism even if it means supporting gays.
somethingsomething: @PermanentFace: Actually we don't need the Soviet Union to show that capitalism is inherently good. Capitalism is the only system that has proven to work and lifts people from poverty everyday. Today even the poor has access to clean water and cheap food, they are far more richer than people were decades ago.
@Makkon: I don't know how you can interpret it as support for gay rights in Russia, considering that Russia is no longer the USSR your analogy kinda falls on its face. If Katia was holding a swastika to show solidarity for gays in Nazi Germany would you also want us to support it? Why should I support an ideology that has killed millions, my family members included?
somethingsomething: @Rick2tails: Oil spills and chemical plant explosions would also happen under communism, these are accidents.
Communism advocates for seizing the means of production. How will you seize the means of production? With force. There are millions of business owners in the US, all of them will have to die in order for communism to be achieved. Karl Marx even advocated for revolutionary terror.
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“I can attest that capitalism isn't a whole lot better to those who can't afford the benefits.”
It is better than the alternative of communism, the ideology that calls for genocide right from the start. Every attempt has lead to mass human suffering, every attempt to achieve the utopia has been a failure. With capitalism there is nothing stopping you from improving your life, the onus is on you and that is better than some collective telling you how far you can go in life.
“When I suggest to show support, I mean solely for gay rights, not communist ideology.”
I do not interpret it as showing solidarity for gay rights. Why would a homosexual hold up the hammer and sickle knowing full well what communism has done to them? The picture seems closer to promoting the ideology.
Either way perhaps this was a misunderstanding. If you truly meant it as support for gay rights then I have no problem, I just misunderstood your intentions. I still won’t like the picture though, since I don’t see it the way you do.
“You put so much effort into defending a system that wouldn't defend you if it was unprofitable.”
Because capitalism hasn’t killed any of my family members.
What about regulated capitalism? I agree that extremes on both sides are bad but no countries actually have complete unregulated laissez faire capitalism. Places that have horrible conditions are run in countries with corrupt governments, that's not the fault of capitalism but rather the institution that uses capitalism. You say it's flawed, of course it is, we are imperfect so everything we make will be imperfect yet despite all its flaws it is the only system that has brought so much prosperity for humanity.
I am sorry I am not willing to support communism even if it means supporting gays.
@Makkon: I don't know how you can interpret it as support for gay rights in Russia, considering that Russia is no longer the USSR your analogy kinda falls on its face. If Katia was holding a swastika to show solidarity for gays in Nazi Germany would you also want us to support it? Why should I support an ideology that has killed millions, my family members included?
Communism advocates for seizing the means of production. How will you seize the means of production? With force. There are millions of business owners in the US, all of them will have to die in order for communism to be achieved. Karl Marx even advocated for revolutionary terror.