Pepsidude: @POMA: Fuck you dude. Criticism is perfectly acceptable as long as the artist doesn't say to not give them any. Also as long as the person giving it isn't an insufferable douche. Why would you even discourage a new artist? Everyone starts out somewhere and it sure is shit isn't perfect.
katiaaitak, keep on practicing. POMA is just a grumpy cunt like half of the fandom is these days.
POMA: I personally find discouraging for an artist when people call their work great when in fact it's not. And I feel discouraged about giving real criticism to these artworks as people on the booru already claimed this to be all round well made because it will make me look like I'm an asshole and my text will go to waste. So why can't I just skip the most meaningless part of this routine and just get claimed to be an asshole whatsoever?
ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: @POMA: It's great by their standards, because they are a new artist. By your standers it might not be great to you, but to them they accomplished something. Even science proves that negative reinforcement isn't as successful as positive reinforcement.
POMA: Knowing your work is bad is the first step to improvement. Knowing why exactly is it bad is the second step. Knowing how to fix it is the third step. Get commended is the fourth one. But well, i have no power here, so I won't say anything besides positive or uplifting stuff anymore but please notice it may turn out to be sarcasm.
Radian: @POMA: Praise without reason is bad, I agree. But discourage beginners is probably worse, shit tier drawings is already discourage. If you don't like something stay silent or, better, say how to improve, give an advise.
@katiaaitak: In you case advise may sound like "learn everything", but I gonna say something different. I'm pretty sure you draw this pic digitally, with mouse. Throw away that shit and draw with pencil, it's much better. And try to understand form, rather then mindlessly copy. Form is probably most important, you must know it even for simple cartoons.
Also I think Poma bitching because you upload a lot of pretty bad drawings. Being bad is okay because you are start recently. Just keep improving and post thing you proud of (or something with good ideas).
Geravind: An ancient axiom: truth usually turns out to be ...uncomfortable.
POMA is okay ...and did not abuse you, Pep, btw.
A new artist must find a bit of common sense to analyze everything correctly himself (not only his works -- everything!).
A wise artist prefers to show his "best" works, no?
Without harsh ones here new artists might stay blind because of you!
Everyone decides himself to keep trying or to give up (only because of his lazyness, actually -- not because some POMA said something unpleasant).
katiaaitak: I used the Katia drawing guide as a reference for this because a friend told me that referencing is good practice and gives good result. It is good practice and I am happy with the result. I know that I should be doing freehanded more often, which I am currently working on.
AMKitsune: @katiaaitak: Despite what many may say, tracing can be (and often is) a good way to memorise certain styles of drawing (which can later be adapted into a style more of your own) and get comfortable with a particular medium, be it pen and paper or digital.
You can almost think of it as the artistic equivalent of stabilisers (or 'training wheels' as they're sometimes called). In time, you'll find yourself relying on direct references less and less until you eventually find yourself not needing them at all.
One thing that I would suggest though, when remaking or creating something that's heavily inspired by someone else's work, it's generally good practice to be as upfront about it as possible. I've found that a great way to go about that is to both credit the original artist and provide a link to their original image. While some people will understand that you're using images like this to improve your abilities, there are many people out there who'll jump on it for being a rip off (in the actual sense, not the tongue in cheek sense that we have here as a tag).
By doing this, your viewers would be left with no doubt what your intentions were when creating your image.
On a personal note, I usually try to get the permission of an artist who's work I'm working on/editing before I upload my version. I'm not certain that this is necessarily needed, but given that the work's mainly that of the original artist (in my eyes at least), I prefer to make sure that they know and are OK with someone else uploading their own version of the original work. So far, I feel that I've been extremely fortunate with everyone I ask saying yes so far. It would seem that most people are OK with it as long as you offer to be open and transparent about the derivative nature of your image. Again though, that's just something that I choose to do out of respect to the original artist. How you go about it would be entirely up to you.
Also, that's some nice clean lineart and colouring there. What program are you currently using?
katiaaitak: @AMKitsune: thank you so much for your encouraging words, it really really REALLY helps a lot :))))). I'll take your advice into consideration. And to answer your question I use procreate on iPad.
Tahrey: I can't criticise anyone for tracing, so long as they don't try and claim something as their own original creation after doing so. It's useful for using something as a base for an altered fanwork, or to uprez something that's pixeled or otherwise low definition using vectors, etc... Done enough of my own before to make better looking images from poor sources, and many other things besides.
POMA: Ehhh, advi-i-i-ice. Okay, what you do here is completely wrong. Drawing is, essentially, just a bunch of lines - straight and curved - so the first thing you have to learn is how to draw them. And the best thing to learn it is spend some quality time drawing spheres and cubes. There are a lot of teach-yourself material about it on the internet. Also complete retrace won't teach you anything but retracing, you better try to copy image by occasionally peeking at original or build a skeleton off the image - it'll help you understand how the bodies work.
Radian: @MikeyTheFox: @kamperkiller: But it's bad way to learn :( I think tracing should be
considered only for very beginner and better get rid of it as earlier as possible.
@Tahrey: Yes, but 10min of line\circle\ellipse practice is a good warn up.
Pepsidude: I've traced in the past to learn the flow and motions of certain shapes, it isn't a bad way to learn necessarily. Granted, I did not upload mine, but still. People are going to learn all in different ways. Seriously, people who are JUST starting shouldn't get too much flak for tracing.
The Prequel Fandom has become a lot less friendly over the past few years. Mostly cause of people like POMA and such, being on high horses and such. If you act like that it could discourage people from trying to draw. It almost made me quit a few times, and it's made me quit prequel art almost altogether.
I've personally taken time to talk to starting artists and given them helpful advice rather than being an asshole to them. You'd be surprised how much people improve with positive reinforcement. That's something most of the fandom is unaware of these days.
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katiaaitak, keep on practicing. POMA is just a grumpy cunt like half of the fandom is these days.
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@katiaaitak: In you case advise may sound like "learn everything", but I gonna say something different. I'm pretty sure you draw this pic digitally, with mouse. Throw away that shit and draw with pencil, it's much better. And try to understand form, rather then mindlessly copy. Form is probably most important, you must know it even for simple cartoons.
Also I think Poma bitching because you upload a lot of pretty bad drawings. Being bad is okay because you are start recently. Just keep improving and post thing you proud of (or something with good ideas).
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POMA is okay ...and did not abuse you, Pep, btw.
A new artist must find a bit of common sense to analyze everything correctly himself (not only his works -- everything!).
A wise artist prefers to show his "best" works, no?
Without harsh ones here new artists might stay blind because of you!
Everyone decides himself to keep trying or to give up (only because of his lazyness, actually -- not because some POMA said something unpleasant).
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You can almost think of it as the artistic equivalent of stabilisers (or 'training wheels' as they're sometimes called). In time, you'll find yourself relying on direct references less and less until you eventually find yourself not needing them at all.
One thing that I would suggest though, when remaking or creating something that's heavily inspired by someone else's work, it's generally good practice to be as upfront about it as possible. I've found that a great way to go about that is to both credit the original artist and provide a link to their original image. While some people will understand that you're using images like this to improve your abilities, there are many people out there who'll jump on it for being a rip off (in the actual sense, not the tongue in cheek sense that we have here as a tag).
By doing this, your viewers would be left with no doubt what your intentions were when creating your image.
On a personal note, I usually try to get the permission of an artist who's work I'm working on/editing before I upload my version. I'm not certain that this is necessarily needed, but given that the work's mainly that of the original artist (in my eyes at least), I prefer to make sure that they know and are OK with someone else uploading their own version of the original work. So far, I feel that I've been extremely fortunate with everyone I ask saying yes so far. It would seem that most people are OK with it as long as you offer to be open and transparent about the derivative nature of your image. Again though, that's just something that I choose to do out of respect to the original artist. How you go about it would be entirely up to you.
Also, that's some nice clean lineart and colouring there. What program are you currently using?
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I ain't proud of it but that's how I got to where I was today.
Well that and just lots of practice.
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Just don't post it as your own (or at all really)
The next step is to use them as references
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considered only for very beginner and better get rid of it as earlier as possible.
@Tahrey: Yes, but 10min of line\circle\ellipse practice is a good warn up.
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The Prequel Fandom has become a lot less friendly over the past few years. Mostly cause of people like POMA and such, being on high horses and such. If you act like that it could discourage people from trying to draw. It almost made me quit a few times, and it's made me quit prequel art almost altogether.
I've personally taken time to talk to starting artists and given them helpful advice rather than being an asshole to them. You'd be surprised how much people improve with positive reinforcement. That's something most of the fandom is unaware of these days.