Guardian: Probably won't to anything as extensive as this next time also how come when I post images they are oriented weirdly on the fanart page yet normal when viewed on this page

DavidTheZettaNerd: Freeeeeeeeeefalllllllllllllllling.

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: It's really pretty! Great work :3, just flip it over.

Guardian: It's odd because on my phone it is only flipped upside down when in the full fanart page yet is right side up on this page is that just me or is it upside down regardless for others

Guardian: How do I flip it

DavidTheZettaNerd: @Guardian: Use a spatalarrr. Get them at Spatalarr city. I just did a double reference.

AzuajeM79: Turn Your Head 360° Tag

Guardian: But seriously though how do I edit the photo to flip it or do I just reupload it in which case how do I delete this one

korblborp: report it, say "yo mods, fix pls ".

Geravind: Those swarming trees... are going to assault the city.

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: There we go it is flipped now, really nice work you've done here!

Guardian: Finally fixed the image thanks for the compliment although I probably won't do things this big a project until I get more experienced

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: @Guardian: Perhaps you should get a drawing tablet?

Guardian: I might which do you recommend also what programs should I get? I'm a little new to drawing with tablets and have only used them once or twice at school.

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: @Guardian: I use SAI, but you could also try Graphics Gale

AMKitsune: @Guardian: Paint tool SAI (That's it's full name) is a favourite of many 'drawing' focused artists. It has built in brush brush stroke smoothing capabilities which can help make your lines and curves look smoother with less judder and roughness. It also has special 'lineart layers' on which you can draw your lines and then click and drag the points of the lines around as you see fit afterwards. Very handy.

The biggest downside to SAI is that while it does what it does very well, it lacks quite a lot of the features found in 'more comprehensive' image editors like photoshop. You may not need or want these features right now, but it's something to bare in mind.

Moving onto photoshop, if you can get hold of it, that's one of those 'once you have it, you'll technically be able to do pretty much anything with it' kinds of programs. While it has got drawing and painting features and tools built in, it's primarily a photo editor, so as far as layering brush strokes and creating lineart goes, many people prefer SAI. Then again, some people swear by photoshop and use practically nothing else. It's one of those personal preference and 'what you're used to' kinds of thing.

Given how much Photoshop costs (and if you can't get hold of a cheap copy), I understand that the Gnu Image Manipulation Program (or GIMP for short) is essentially an open source (FREE!) version of photoshop with most of the the same tools and features.

Generally speaking, those are the sorts of programs that most digital artists seem to gravitate towards as they can offer a wide variety of oppertunity for creating art of all kinds of different styles.

Programs like graphics gale are, to my understanding at least, limited more to sprite based art. I've asked Kazerad himself about his experience with it and he said that "It's optomized for sprite animation. For PRequel, it's honestly probably not the bestchoice", so while you can make larger pictures with it, you might find it easier in the long run to use something else.

Quite honestly, there is no simple 'best program' to use. Try to get hold of as many different ones as you want and try them all. Some people stick with one program while others use multiple programs for different purposes. I've seen recordings of drawings by PlagueOfGripes where he draws the lineart in SAI and then moves over to photoshop to finish the colours.

Experiment. You'll find something that works for ya.

Also, nice scene here

Enheldor: @AMKitsune: I mean, you CAN get a copy of Photoshop for the cheapest price, free.

Also, I am not good at drawing, so take this next part however you wish. Based on what has been said before me, it seems like the best option would be to use SAI for lineart, then Photoshop for everything else, much like PlagueOfGripes. However, use whatever you feel most comfortable with or try to learn both and use each for what they are best at. Your call.

Skoon: Funny thing about the scale of the game Oblivion is that by lore standards you wouldn't be able to see the imperial city from the outer shore of the Rumare.

Yet in game you can see every northern city from around one spot.

PermanentFace: @Skoon: False. You can, in fact, see the City from the shore of Lake Rumare: "From the shore it is hard to tell what is city and what is Palace, for it all rises from the islands of the lake towards the sky in a stretch of gold." -PGE1

Skoon: @PermanentFace: I can't find it but I recall reading in deep lore that the bridge connecting the island to the mainland was so long that there were small villages on it.

That and by the scale of Tamriel in Arena and Daggerfall a map of Cyrodiil shows lake Rumare as being larger than the great lakes.

The human eye would never be able to see across that.