Kazerad: Here's Katia, after starting an intensive physical workout routine and becoming a successful and well-paid model for fitness magazines. Go Katia!

Gren: @Kazerad: Well, that's better than being a cheap whore, I think.

angrybacteria: Yet she doesn't look any happier with this life. She's gone from the depression and loss of her earlier life to success at the cost of becoming cynical.

Ja_Jarsha_Rovandi: @Kazerad: Those thighs though, I would accuse her of useing steroids, but her arms are as noodly as ever.

Kazerad: Are butts allowed here? I hope so, because I really want to hold a conversation about this image. I forget who the artist is, and I can't figure out what is going on in it. At first I thought those were punching bags and she was just walking through a gym at night, naked, but they look more like candles? Or maybe they're columns with Welkynd stones on them, and she is dungeoneering naked. That is a pretty dumb thing to do! I don't know, what do you guys think?

Tahrey: butts are ooooooooo-kay.

you get them in tv cartoons often enough after all

Gren: http://i.imgur.com/ymG0KL8.gif

Mediocre_Scrublord: THat's pretty dungeon-welkynd-stone-lookin to me

AMKitsune: @Kazerad: Are butts allowed here? I don't know... We'll just have to ask whoever's in charge here XD.
Seriously though, judging whether an image would be suitable for workplace viewing or for younger viewers can be a relatively complicated process. On the one hand, you could simply go by what's visible in the picture and determine that the presence of certain things like 'butts & boobs' are enough to make a picture unsuitable. In that case, the threshold of what is considered acceptable is generally up to the community as a whole and what they're comfortable with (although, as with all sites, the owner (yourself in this case) ultimately has the final call on what they do and don't want on their site).

The other, less clear cut aspect of this discussion is how the 'artists intent' and 'viewer interpretation' factor into things.
It's clear that some people see some picture more sexually than others. This is by no means a bad thing as everyone's entitled to their own views and opinions, it just makes it tricky to try to moderate the content of a site in a way that everyone can be happy with. At pretty much any given 'level' of moderation, there will be some people who think that content is too 'porny' and should be removed while other users may be disappointed because other art that they thought to be perfectly reasonable (usually containing 'artistic nudity' in the case of this site)was taken down.

Who do you try to accommodate for? Do you use your own sensibilities as a cornerstone off which to judge all other images and hope the community agrees with you? Or do you try to put your own personal feelings aside and try to judge an image based off of what you think the 'average viewer' would approve of?

A good example of this issue in effect would be if you were to present Michelangelo's David to a group of school kids. Chances are, they wouldn't be able to appreciate the amazing quality of the sculpture and would instead see it as little more than 'a big naked man'.

Now, the whole 'having artistic merit' argument usually seems to rely on the image (or work) in question having a relatively high level of quality (which is often (wrongly) linked to the artists presumed age and consequentially, their presumed level of maturity). This is probably linked to the 'artists intent' aspect of the discussion.

If an artist makes an image with the intent that it's to be appreciated for it's form and 'accuracy of it's subject matter', is that how everyone should strive to interpret it? Should people have to try to put their own sensibilities aside to see the work how it was intended to be seen? Or should they be expected to stick to what they know and experience the artwork as it is?

This is something of a moral conundrum which I don't know if there's necessarily a right answer to.

If someone creates something that's pretty much intended to be seen as porn (or in some way sexually provocative), can't someone see beyond that and enjoy it as a simply well done piece of art? In this case, some people can, but would it them be right to host that material knowing full well that others would still see it as just porn? Probably not.

By the way, when I say 'porn' in this context, I mean any kind of artwork that could generally be viewed as being sexually provocative, not just the outright explicit stuff.

Going back to the topic of 'butts', I can see how they'd be considered somewhat suggestive as, while not sexually explicit, it's generally considered indecent to show ones butt of in public. But then we're drawn back to our David example. While there are barely any picture of the sculpture from the rear (for some reason...), I'm pretty sure it has a butt. I don't see anyone complaining about it though.

It's almost as though people feel 'allowed' to artistically appreciate what would otherwise be considered questionable when the work was made as a piece of 'beret wearing, deeper meaning, ART' as opposed to something a 10 year old drew and shared with their friends.

I've probably gone and overcomplicated this far more than anyone needed to, but to summarise, there's no clear right or wrong answer as to whether butts should be allowed here or not. As the owner of the site, I think that's going to have to be a call you make yourself (or try to find the general consensus)

Those are my thoughts, opinions and observations.

Valkaiser: Yo @AMKitsune, I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish, but the booru needs moar butts.

err...

They definitely look like Welkynd stones to me. A few possibilities suggest themselves:
She flees a drunken (and very dangerous) midnight assignation.
She is having a dream about dungeoneering (aaaaargh, I'm not wearing any pants!).
She is about to relax in a delightful hot spring just off panel.

Or maybe she used her clothing as a decoy to throw off pursuit whilst she escapes an ill-advised misadventure?

Tahrey: tl;dr - BUTTS, LOL

Kazerad: @AMKitsune: Yeah, I guess that about sums up my feelings too. At least in this case, I feel like there is nothing overtly sexual about this picture of Katia wandering across the top of a giant birthday cake. It is art.

AMKitsune: @Kazerad: I also find a good, quick way to determine whether an image containing nudity should be considered 'artistically safe' or 'sexually suggestive' is to look at the characters pose and expression and imagine if they would still work as well if the character were fully clothed. From what I've seen, most of the (in my opinion) better nudes out there don't really have the subject acknowledging the fact that they're naked at all (the scene, pose and expressions would work just as well if they were wearing a full outfit).

I'll give you a couple of examples. If you were to imagine Katia wearing, say, a set of leather armour in this picture, it wouldn't look particularly out of place. Perhaps she heard something behind her while taking a small lean against a pillar? Nothing too out of the ordinary there.

On the other hand, if you imagine the same armour applied to the Pseudonimous 'I'm sorry' picture, you'd be left thinking something along the lines of "Why's she posing like that? What's with the sultry expression?". Without the nudity, it just doesn't make as much sense.

Kazerad: See, I love it when artists do these little homages to the jokes in the comic. Like, she's wearing what's supposed to be a strapless top here, an aesthetic impeded by the underwear panted onto her. Tydrian could've just skipped that and gone for a generic Katia in some kind of bellydancer outfit, but no. They went all the way, and I respect that.

Gren: Actually, I think this is a reference to one of the entries of the arena armor design contest.
http://www.prequeladventure.com/fanartbooru/post/view/802

Kazerad: @Gren: Huh, I hunted down the source and it turns out you're right!

I also added the source, after going to all the effort of hunting it down.

KillerfishSG: No, that thing at the bottom left is not a doll.
No, I do not have experience drawing human children.

Armored-Struggle-Wagon: Hey look! It's our friend, Brisk[TM] Iced Tea, Again! c:

Geravind: @KillerfishSG: It's a completely normal Chukchi kid.
Katia is cool -- good proportions! She's hanging on the message-box, using only one arm-paw. :p

Tahrey: human children are like Khajiit children except they have smaller ears lower down the head, less protruding muzzles, uncleft top lips and no fur.

oh also shorter tails, wider/shorter claws, and flatter feet.

so, try again? just make sure that they're clothed. they'll get cold without fur otherwise.

Baz1S: @Geravind: Normal chukchi kid? That's racist!

Kewot_Rokar: Aren't we all?

John_Medina: @Unidentified_BA Are you implying that all average Prequel fans are KatiaxQuill-Weave shippers? How /mean/ of you!

Unidentified_BA: @John_Medina: Why is that mean? Why can't people support the biggest ship without malicious intent? It's only nonsensical love after all!

Skoon: I ship it.

Tahrey: wait ... so ... they're actually looking at each other without realising? subtles.

Gren: Wow, good catch. I would never have noticed it otherwise.:O
@John_Medina: Me neither. Now I ship Quill with crazy-scout-elf. :3 (yeah I know she's lesbian but leave me alone)
@Armored-Struggle-Wagon: Sorry sir, unfortunately I'm not captain obvious.
@Tahrey: Yeah, I'd say so. But then again, Kazerad is a big troll. You can't give anything for granted. No wonder why this comic is titled "making a cat cry". He'll feed our hopes and then BAM! Back to square zero. He has done this several times before with QW as well with Gharug, Dmitri and ASOTIL. If Katia is actually the Champion of Cyrodiil, then it's likely she will never get romantically involved. Just as she'll never ever get a companion. Because that's in the mechanics of the game, and Kaz's been adapting it to the story since the very beginning.
The fact that Quill Weave does not mention anything about Katia in the game is what makes me think things aren't going to end well between them. Likely, she'll be a closed chapter in her life.

Man_Of_Mer: I stopped coming for a day and I miss a huge wave of new uploads. Where did it all come from?

Armored-Struggle-Wagon: @Man_Of_Mer: It came from Kaz himself.

TemporaryFace: I ship Quill-Weave with Casta Scribonia because I'm boring.

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: @John_Medina: Well it is pretty fucking cute. Though, I have 'other' ideas for who I'd like Katia to be with.

Kewot_Rokar: Young khajiit indeed...

Kazerad: People don't always know that I watch Tumblr and stuff for Prequel fanart and discussions. This artist in particular drew Katia a /lot/. And there's, like, maybe three of them I can actually post here. This is the one of those three with the most clothes.

Tahrey: Those hips have passed straight through "wide" and "painless childbirth" into "lizardlike" :D

Gren: "Prepare your candies"

Zokva: Vono draws the qtest Katias even if they lack clothes

Tahrey: *because ?

Kazerad: That string of sad images was actually a lot shorter than I thought. Like, it turns out you guys want her to be happy or something. Have a flirty Katia someone drew based off an emoticon.

Geravind: Cool emotion, yay! =*_*=

Tahrey: I like to think that she's actually looking at flirtybird and returning the wink

Geravind: @Tahrey: Neg, she's training her Eye of Fear targeting along with interfering tasks like catching flying hearts with her mouth -- be attentive on JJR's lessons.

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: @Kazerad: Of course we want out cat waifu to be happy. You mean butt.

CaptainLackwit: Aah, I know this one. This was my desktop for a while because it was too damned cute.

Tahrey: That's the wrong eye, though. Or is the idea that she's learning how to do it out of the other eye so she can use it more than twice a day, even if that risks ending up with two bloodied eyes?

Kazerad: In this one, Katia points a little to your right as if to say "yeah, you're cool! You are the cool person". She does this while naked.

Gren: You're the winner! Come here and get your prize.

Mediocre_Scrublord: I dig the face.

Tahrey: Ʃ8o3>

Armored-Struggle-Wagon: Sir, is this your Cat?

Geravind: The kitty looks very strong -- that hand's owner is gonna get hurt.

Gren: Mehrunes Dagon is not amused. :O

AMKitsune: Headcanon: Mehrunes Dagon has a secret soft spot for khajiit (especially the poorer downtrodden ones) and occasionally plucks one from Nirn to keep as a beloved house pet. He even makes beds for them out of his old 'boot boxes' and cut up blankets. Lovely chap, if he's not trying to kill you and subjugate your world...

Tahrey: This is just encouraging someone to paint underwear on their own cat, now, you realise.

MetalC0Mmander: @Tahrey: Please don't.

Armored-Struggle-Wagon: @MetalC0Mmander: too late

Tahrey: @MetalC0Mmander: I don't have a cat.
@Armored-Struggle-Wagon: Pics or it didn't happen.

Armored-Struggle-Wagon: @Tahrey: that's the point, it /didn't/ happen :p

Tahrey: BUT WHY

Kazerad: Well I've uploaded enough pictures in the same vein as this that I don't think it'd be right to skip this one. Here's Katia posing naked in a blank white abyss! The artist is Sentientsocks I think, but I'm not positive.

Geravind: Too much purrfectness!

Gren: What is this weird feeling in my pants? OH my phone is vibrating!

Pepsidude: It's "artistic" nudity, don't worry.

tronn: She's looking for lumps in her breasts so it's basically a PSA about cancer prevention. Noble and useful!